{"id":27085,"date":"2012-02-03T00:46:49","date_gmt":"2012-02-03T05:46:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/countingpips.com\/fx\/2012\/02\/03\/facebook-shares-%e2%80%93-notice-for-mad-punters-buy-this-stock\/"},"modified":"2012-02-03T00:46:49","modified_gmt":"2012-02-03T05:46:49","slug":"facebook-shares-notice-for-mad-punters-buy-this-stock","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/fx\/2012\/02\/03\/facebook-shares-notice-for-mad-punters-buy-this-stock\/","title":{"rendered":"Facebook Shares \u2013 Notice for Mad Punters: Buy This Stock"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>By MoneyMorning.com.au<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Whatever you think of <strong>Facebook<\/strong> (our old pal, Dan Denning says <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dailyreckoning.com.au\/what-the-facebook-ipo-says-about-your-most-valuable-asset\/2012\/01\/31\/\">Facebook<\/a> <em>&#8220;diminishes the quality of your thought&#8230;&#8221;<\/em>) there&#8217;s no arguing it&#8217;s a great example of free market entrepreneurialism.<\/p>\n<p>For an eight year old company, it has come a long way.<\/p>\n<p>According to the <a href=\"http:\/\/sec.gov\/Archives\/edgar\/data\/1326801\/000119312512034517\/d287954ds1.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Form S-1<\/a> filed with the U.S. Securities &#038; Exchange Commission, Facebook made a USD$1 billion profit in 2011.  That&#8217;s the third year of profits in a row.  It made USD$229 million in 2009 and USD$606 million in 2010.<\/p>\n<p>Make a note.  That&#8217;s profit.  Facebook has more cash coming through the door than it has cash going out the door.<\/p>\n<p><span><\/span><br \/>\nThat sets Facebook apart from one of last year&#8217;s most-watched public offerings, <strong>Groupon Inc., [NASDAQ: GRPN]<\/strong>.  In its last annual report Groupon lost USD$389 million in 2010.<\/p>\n<p>And for the first nine months of last year it lost USD$214 million.<\/p>\n<p>One Internet company makes a billion&#8230; another loses hundreds of millions.<\/p>\n<p>But here&#8217;s the thing: just because Groupon loses money, it doesn&#8217;t make it any less <a href=\"http:\/\/www.moneymorning.com.au\/20111105\/entrepreneurs-and-entrepreneurialism.html\">entrepreneurial<\/a> than Facebook.<\/p>\n<p>Both guys behind the firms had an idea.  They both figured they could make a bucket load of money from it.  So they took a risk and got investors to back them.<\/p>\n<p>The thing for investors, looking at both companies, is which is the better investment?<\/p>\n<p>Should you buy Groupon while it&#8217;s still making a loss&#8230; but with potentially years of growth ahead of it?  Or should you buy Facebook, which is set to trade at a premium? (Meaning that investors have built future profit growth into today&#8217;s price.)<\/p>\n<p>Or maybe you should buy both.<\/p>\n<p><strong><\/p>\n<div align=\"center\">Two Winners and One Loser<\/div>\n<p><\/strong><br \/>\nWell, let&#8217;s look at Groupon first.  We&#8217;ll straight out say we wouldn&#8217;t buy it.<\/p>\n<p>Simply because we don&#8217;t see it as a viable business.  The company approaches businesses to convince them to offer discounts.  Groupon then splits the revenue with the business customer.<\/p>\n<p>For instance, if a restaurant offers a 50% discount off a $100 meal, it splits the remaining $50 with Groupon.  That&#8217;s great for Groupon.  But not so great for the business &#8211; effectively, discounting its product by 75% with no guarantee of repeat business.<\/p>\n<p>To us, that seems a costly way to get customers.  And it seems as though while Groupon and the end consumer win, the business loses.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s no way to build a viable business.  For a company to succeed, each side (the company and consumer) needs to believe they&#8217;re getting a good deal.  That&#8217;s the beauty of free market capitalism.  Each side of a deal walks away thinking they&#8217;ve come out ahead.<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re not convinced that happens with Groupon.<\/p>\n<p>Compare that to Facebook, where everyone gets something of perceived value: Facebook makes money.  Advertisers pay comparatively cheap ad rates to get in front of hundreds of millions of people.  And consumers get to network, show off and play silly games.<\/p>\n<p>Everyone&#8217;s a winner.<\/p>\n<p>So, does that mean we&#8217;d buy Facebook?  Let&#8217;s see&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong><\/p>\n<div align=\"center\">Can Facebook Grow Profits 275%?<\/div>\n<p><\/strong><br \/>\nEven though everyone&#8217;s a winner, it doesn&#8217;t make Facebook a slam-dunk trade.  As we say, investors have built profit growth into the current price.<\/p>\n<p>Estimates are Facebook will list with a market capitalisation of USD$75-100 billion.  That&#8217;s huge.  It&#8217;s more than 100-year old technology company, <strong>Hewlett Packard [NYSE: HPQ]<\/strong>, which has a USD$56.6 billion market cap.<\/p>\n<p>And more than dot-com darling, <strong>Amazon Inc. [NASDAQ: AMZN]<\/strong>, which has a market cap of USD$82.7 billion.<\/p>\n<p>Not only that.  If Facebook has a market cap of USD$75 billion, that would value it at 20-times sales, and 75-times earnings.  That&#8217;s compared to <strong>Google Inc&#8217;s. [NASDAQ: GOOG]<\/strong> 20-times earnings.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, investors figure Facebook still has plenty of growth.  And maybe it has.  But with a big premium priced in, investors have big expectations.<\/p>\n<p>For example, let&#8217;s assume over time Facebook&#8217;s value will move closer to Google&#8217;s of 20-times earnings.  In order to justify a market cap of USD$75 billion, Facebook will need to grow profits to USD$3.75 billion.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s a 275% increase on today&#8217;s profits.<\/p>\n<p>But that doesn&#8217;t mean the Facebook share price would go up.  As we say, the share price already reflects future growth.  And if it doesn&#8217;t achieve the profit growth&#8230; oh boy, the share price of Facebook would soon take one heck of a beating.<\/p>\n<p>And of course, investors won&#8217;t want the Facebook share price to stay still.  Investors will want the share price to go up.  For that to happen it needs profits to keep growing&#8230; USD$5 billion, USD$7 billion, even USD$10 billion or more.<\/p>\n<p>In other words, it has to follow the same earnings growth as Internet giant, Google.  That&#8217;ll be tough&#8230; but not impossible.<\/p>\n<p><strong><\/p>\n<div align=\"center\">New Media Beats Old Media in Ad Growth<\/div>\n<p><\/strong><br \/>\nOnline advertising is growing at more than twice the rate of non-online advertising.  For instance, a report at the start of last year by MagnaGlobal projected the following ad growth rates:<\/p>\n<div align=\"center\"> <img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.moneymorning.com.au\/images\/mm20120203a.jpg\" alt=\"Compounded Annual Growth Rates 2011-2016 by Medium\" border=\"0\"><\/div>\n<p><em><\/p>\n<div align=\"center\">Source: MagnaGlobal<\/div>\n<p><\/em><br \/>\nAs you can see, every single &#8220;new media&#8221; ad channel is outgrowing the four &#8220;old media&#8221; ad channels.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, some of the &#8220;new media&#8221; is growing from a low base.  Such as online video, which only received USD$2.2 billion in ad dollars in 2009 compared with USD$109.5 billion for network television.<\/p>\n<p>But the point is, online ads have plenty of room for growth.  You can&#8217;t say the same for print advertising.  You only have to look at revenues for the big media companies such as <strong>Southern Cross Media Group [ASX: SXL]<\/strong> to see how sales and profits have stagnated for the past five years.<\/p>\n<p>So, yes, Facebook does <em>&#8220;diminish the quality of thought&#8221;<\/em>.  And it is a vacuous, inane and shallow media.  And the shares are likely to begin trading for an obscene premium over current profits.  But&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong><\/p>\n<div align=\"center\">This Stock Could Gain 588%<\/div>\n<p><\/strong><br \/>\nIt&#8217;s also a great company.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s the perfect example of how a free market gives consumers a service they didn&#8217;t know they wanted.  Remember, when businesses such as Facebook (and just a year before it, MySpace) were created, there was no guarantee of success.<\/p>\n<p>It took guts by the company&#8217;s owners and investors to put time and money on the line.<\/p>\n<p>Today, Facebook is a success.  And the share price will reflect that.<\/p>\n<p>The only dilemma for potential investors is whether Facebook will follow Google&#8217;s lead and gain 588% in eight years.  Or whether it will follow MySpace down the toilet (Ed note: News Corp paid USD$580 million for MySpace in 2005&#8230; and sold it for USD$35 million in 2011 for a 93.9% loss!)<\/p>\n<p>As a punter, we like Facebook as a red hot gamble.  You wouldn&#8217;t want to bet your retirement fund on it, because there&#8217;s little doubt to us the shares will either soar or slump.<\/p>\n<p>Facebook is a high-risk punt.  It isn&#8217;t a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.moneymorning.com.au\/20120111\/the-brave-new-broken-world-for-stock-traders-and-investors.html\">stock for investors<\/a>.  It&#8217;s a stock for crazy <a href=\"http:\/\/www.moneymorning.com.au\/20111231\/speculators-v-spectators.html\">speculators<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>If that sounds like you&#8230; we&#8217;d say, go ahead, buy some.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Cheers.<br \/>\nKris.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>P.S.<\/strong> Facebook isn&#8217;t the only punt I recommend investors make in 2012.  At an <a href=\"http:\/\/www.portphillippublishing.com.au\/research\/After-America\/n1afteramerconf-dr-ver.php?code=F9ACN323\" target=\"_blank\">exclusive gathering of investors<\/a> next month, I&#8217;ll explain which stocks to buy this year for maximum gains.  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For an eight year old company, it has come a long way. 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