{"id":79385,"date":"2015-10-09T08:24:31","date_gmt":"2015-10-09T12:24:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/countingpips.com\/?p=79385"},"modified":"2015-10-09T08:24:31","modified_gmt":"2015-10-09T12:24:31","slug":"outside-the-box-blodget-on-market-history","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex\/2015\/10\/outside-the-box-blodget-on-market-history\/","title":{"rendered":"Outside the Box: Blodget on Market History"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"inves-234288485\" class=\"inves-below-title-posts inves-entity-placement\"><div id =\"posts_date_custom\"><div align=\"left\">October 9, 2015<\/div><hr style=\"border: none; border-bottom: 3px solid black;\">\r\n<\/div><\/div><h4><span style=\"font-size: small;\">By John Mauldin<\/span><\/h4>\n<div class=\"body\">\n<p>I remember the first time I walked into Henry Blodget\u2019s new startup, Business Insider, back in 2009. Twelve fresh-faced kids were crammed into a room about the size of my bedroom, pounding away on laptops, creating a new destination website. He took me over to a corner; we sat down in front of a few cameras; and he began shooting question after question at me, later turning the session into a series of interviews.<\/p>\n<p>You walk into his office today and it\u2019s still packed wall-to-wall with fresh-faced kids (the older I get the younger they look), but the offices are much larger, and it seemed to me last time that there had to be at least 150 people in them. But the interviews are still quick-paced, even if they\u2019re now conducted in a special room, with upgraded equipment.<\/p>\n<p>One of the things Business Insider is noted for is compelling headlines. They republish much of the work from Mauldin Economics, but they often come up with more interesting headlines for our content than we do. And they still produce a lot of original material as well.<\/p>\n<p>This week\u2019s <em>Outside the Box<\/em> is a brief note from Henry himself, with the snappy title \u201cMarket history is calling, and it\u2019s saying stock performance will be crappy for another ~10 years.\u201d Beyond the compelling headline is a look back at historical market performance and market cycles, with almost a dozen charts to illustrate Henry\u2019s thesis. It\u2019s a quick read, but investors should pay attention to his main premise: if you\u2019re looking for returns that are north of zero, you\u2019re going to have to be a better-than-average investor.<\/p>\n<p>As an aside, I want to pass along my congratulations to Henry on the rather outsized offer (in the multiple nine figures) he has received from a German publisher for his business. I\u2019ve always admired his determination and focus, and I enjoy watching another businessman prosper.<\/p>\n<p>Now here\u2019s a good one for you. I\u2019m sitting in my dentist\u2019s chair this morning, he\u2019s checking on the laser-evisceration of my gums he performed last week, and he says, \u201cYou know, most older people have the opposite problem from you \u2013 they have too little in the way of gums, not too much. And that\u2019s where we got the old saying \u2018long in the tooth.\u2019\u201d So there.<\/p><div id=\"inves-2302788843\" class=\"inves-in-content inves-entity-placement\"><hr style=\"border: 1px solid #ddd;\">\r\n<div id=\"inpost_ads_header\">\r\n<p style=\"font-size:10px; float:left; color:#666;\">Free Reports:<\/p><\/div>\r\n<div id=\"inpost_ads\"> \r\n<p style=\"font-size:15px; float:left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/goo.gl\/1ApBOV\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/investmacro.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/06\/graph_techs_PD.png\" align=\"left\" width=\"80\"  height=\"55\"\/><\/a>\r\n\t     <a href=\"https:\/\/goo.gl\/1ApBOV\"><b><u>Get Our Free Metatrader 4 Indicators<\/u><\/b><\/a> - Put Our Free MetaTrader 4 Custom Indicators on your charts when you join our Weekly Newsletter<\/p><br><br>\r\n<br>\r\n<br>\r\n<p style=\"font-size:15px; float:left;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/goo.gl\/f3RrHX\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/investmacro.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/cot_pie_80.png\" align=\"left\" width=\"80\"  height=\"55\"\/><\/a>\r\n\t    <a href=\"https:\/\/goo.gl\/f3RrHX\"><b><u>Get our Weekly Commitment of Traders Reports<\/u><\/b><\/a> - See where the biggest traders (Hedge Funds and Commercial Hedgers) are positioned in the futures markets on a weekly basis.<\/p><br><br>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<hr style=\"border: 1px solid #ddd;\">\r\n<br><\/div>\n<p>It\u2019s been a busy though uneventful week here at home; hope you\u2019re easing into autumn, too.<\/p>\n<p>Your no longer short in the tooth analyst,<\/p>\n<p class=\"signature\"><em>John Mauldin, Editor<br \/>\nOutside the Box<\/em><a href=\"mailto:subscribers@mauldineconomics.com\">subscribers@mauldineconomics.com<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"signature\">\n<div style=\"width: 80%; font-family: Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16px; margin: 20px auto; background: #e9eced; -moz-border-radius: 10px; -webkit-border-radius: 10px; -khtml-border-radius: 10px; border-radius: 10px; padding: 10px; clear: both; margin-top: 5px; color: #333; text-align: center; line-height: 100%;\">\n<p style=\"font-family: Arial, sans-serif; text-align: center; font-size: 18px; color: #0b507c; line-height: 130%;\">Stay Ahead of the Latest Tech News and Investing Trends&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 1em;\"><span style=\"color: #0b507c;\"><u><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mauldineconomics.com\/go\/uucg5-2\/PIP\">Click here to sign up for Patrick Cox\u2019s free daily tech news digest<\/a>.<\/u><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Each day, you get the three tech news stories with the biggest potential impact.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h2><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>Market history is calling, and it\u2019s saying stock performance will be crappy for another ~10 years<\/strong><\/span><\/h2>\n<p><strong>By Henry Blodget<\/strong><br \/>\n<strong>Business Insider, Oct. 4, 2015<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Stock performance has been weak\u00a0for the past 15 years.<\/p>\n<p>If history is a guide, it\u2019s likely to stay weak for at least another 10 years.<\/p>\n<p>Why?<\/p>\n<p>Because stocks are still fantastically expensive relative to most of recorded history.<\/p>\n<p>And in the past, when stocks have been this expensive \u2013 or close to this expensive \u2013 performance over the next decade has been lousy.<\/p>\n<p>Long-term valuation analysis suggests that we are still working through aftermath of the highest level of stock-market valuation in history \u2013 the peak of the tech bubble in 2000 \u2013 and that this workout process will take at least another 5-10 years.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s the bottom line.<\/p>\n<h3><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The Details<\/span><\/h3>\n<p>Over the past century, the market has gone through distinct \u201cbull\u201d and \u201cbear\u201d phases. These last, on average, 10-25 years each. Specifically:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>A 29-year <span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>bull<\/strong><\/span> market from 1900-1929<\/li>\n<li>A ~20-year <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>bear<\/strong><\/span> market from 1930-1950<\/li>\n<li>A ~15-year\u00a0<span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>bull<\/strong><\/span> market from 1951-1966<\/li>\n<li>A ~15 year <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>bear<\/strong><\/span> market from 1967-1982<\/li>\n<li>An ~18 year <span style=\"color: #008000;\"><strong>bull<\/strong><\/span> market from 1982-2000<\/li>\n<li>A ~? year <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>bear<\/strong><\/span> market from 2000-?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Some people think the latest \u201cbear\u201d phase ended in 2009. They also think we\u2019re in the middle of a glorious \u201cbull\u201d phase again.<\/p>\n<p>But based on valuation \u2013 stock prices relative to the fundamentals of the underlying companies \u2013 we unfortunately appear to still be in the middle of the latest \u201cbear\u201d phase.<\/p>\n<p>Don\u2019t believe it?<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s go to the charts.<\/p>\n<p>Last year, the\u00a0excellent investor and commentator Barry Ritholtz published <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mauldineconomics.com\/go\/uuc36-2\/PIP\" target=\"_blank\">a long-term stock market chart<\/a>\u00a0that shows the \u201cbull\u201d and \u201cbear\u201d phase phenomenon:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 600px; height: 364px;\" src=\"http:\/\/ggc-mauldin-images.s3.amazonaws.com\/uploads\/newsletters\/Image_1_20151007_OTB.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The bulls look at this chart and point out that we moved sideways for 10 years after 2000, say that was plenty, and predict that stocks will now forge ever higher for years as the new bull market continues:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 600px; height: 366px;\" src=\"http:\/\/ggc-mauldin-images.s3.amazonaws.com\/uploads\/newsletters\/Image_2_20151007_OTB.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Bears, meanwhile, look at the chart and see a temporary, Fed-fueled spike in the middle of a long bear market that they believe will see at least one more big downtrend and correction (likely lasting years) before it is done:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 600px; height: 376px;\" src=\"http:\/\/ggc-mauldin-images.s3.amazonaws.com\/uploads\/newsletters\/Image_3_20151007_OTB.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>So who\u2019s more likely to be right?<\/p>\n<p>Well, let\u2019s add more information to that chart.<\/p>\n<p>Throughout history, stock prices have loosely gravitated around the \u201cfundamentals\u201d of the underlying companies \u2013 namely, earnings. Specifically, stocks have traded in a range of 5X cyclically adjusted earnings (at bear-market lows) to 44X earnings (at the peak of the biggest bull market in history \u2013 the one that ended in 2000). The \u201caverage\u201d P\/E ratio over this period, meanwhile, has been about 15X.<\/p>\n<p>When you add P\/E ratios to the charts above, you quickly notice a pattern:<\/p>\n<p>Sustained bear-market periods have begun when the P\/E is very high (~25X+).<\/p>\n<p>Sustained bull-market periods, meanwhile, have begun when the P\/E is very low (5X to 9X).<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 600px; height: 365px;\" src=\"http:\/\/ggc-mauldin-images.s3.amazonaws.com\/uploads\/newsletters\/Image_4a_20151007_OTB.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>In other words, sustained bull markets begin when investors are so disgusted by stocks \u2013 and so pessimistic about the future of stocks \u2013 that they\u2019ll pay only 5X to 9X earnings for them. And sustained bear markets begin when investors are so giddy with excitement about stocks and the prospects for stocks that they\u2019ll happily pay 25X earnings or more for them.<\/p>\n<p>So how about the recent \u201cbear\u201d period?<\/p>\n<p>Well, it began as history suggested it would: With a stratospheric P\/E ratio (44X) and widespread investor jubilation, and excitement. Back in 2000, investors were wild about stocks and the prospects for stocks, and most people (including, sadly, me) believed that stocks would keep going up.<\/p>\n<p>Then, after a crash (2000 to 2002) and one failed recovery (2003 to 2007), stocks hit a crushing low in 2009 that was down more than 50% from the 2000 peak. At that moment, March 2009, many investors were scared to death of owning stocks, and many analysts expected the market to drop much farther. At that moment, the PE ratio also hit 13X. This was a below-average P\/E, finally, but it was also considerably higher than the P\/E ratios that had marked previous bear-market bottoms.<\/p>\n<p>Then,\u00a0for six\u00a0years, stocks rocketed straight upward, until the market had nearly tripled off the 2009 low. Over this period, investors overcame their fear and gradually fell in love with stocks again.<\/p>\n<p>As recently as six months\u00a0ago, with the market setting new highs, investors were once again very excited about the future of stock prices. So excited, in fact, that they were willing to pay 26X earnings for them. But now the market is wobbling again.<\/p>\n<p>And\u00a0here are two more charts\u00a0for you. They\u2019re\u00a0from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mauldineconomics.com\/go\/uuc67-2\/PIP\" target=\"_blank\">portfolio\u00a0manager John Hussman of the Hussman Funds<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>First, Hussman\u2019s analysis suggests that, on average, it takes the market about 12 years to work off extreme over- or undervaluation and get back to \u201cnormal.\u201d In other words, it takes valuations about a dozen years to mean-revert.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 600px; height: 527px;\" src=\"http:\/\/ggc-mauldin-images.s3.amazonaws.com\/uploads\/newsletters\/Image_5_20151007_OTB.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Further, Hussman\u2019s analysis suggests that, once we have gotten back to \u201cnormal,\u201d valuations usually continue \u201creverting\u201d for many more years, until they hit the opposite extreme. This process takes, on average, about another decade.<\/p>\n<p>Putting the two together, Hussman has found that the market generally takes about ~20 years to \u201cmean-invert\u201d \u2013 to go from one valuation extreme to the other. That\u2019s exactly the pattern we see in the long-term charts above.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 600px; height: 527px;\" src=\"http:\/\/ggc-mauldin-images.s3.amazonaws.com\/uploads\/newsletters\/Image_6_20151007_OTB.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p>So, what does all this tell us?<\/p>\n<p>Nothing conclusive, unfortunately. No one knows the future.<\/p>\n<p>But\u00a0let\u2019s\u00a0make a couple of observations about our current\u00a0situation:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>First, even after the recent market wobble, stocks are still more expensive than they have been at any time in the past century with the exception of 2000 and 1929.<\/strong> And we know what happened after those years.\u00a0For the \u201cnew bull market\u201d to continue indefinitely, the market\u2019s P\/E would have to continue to keep rising toward the P\/E at the historic 2000 market peak \u2013 which, it is worth noting, was followed by a devastating crash.<\/li>\n<li><strong>Second, if we are indeed in the middle of a new bull market, the bear-market \u201cworkout period\u201d following the 2000 peak would have been one of the shortest in history<\/strong>. And we were starting from the highest valuation in history, by a mile.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Unless something has changed that makes the past 115 years of market history irrelevant (always possible, but probably not likely), it would not be surprising if the biggest bull-market peak in market history was followed by one of the biggest bear-market workouts in history \u2013 one that, perhaps, might last as long or longer than any major workout period to date.<\/p>\n<p>As a long-term investor, I thankfully don\u2019t have to make short-term market calls. I have also learned (the hard and expensive way) to limit my stock exposure enough so as not to get freaked out by crashes. I own stocks, so if we\u2019re in the middle of a new bull market, great. I also own cash and bonds, so if we\u2019re still in the middle of a long bear market, fine. If stocks tank from here, I\u2019ll trade some of that cash for stocks\u00a0and hope that the world doesn\u2019t end.<\/p>\n<p>But my guess, for what it\u2019s worth, is that we\u2019re still in the middle of a long bear market. If you made me draw what I think is the most likely future for stock prices, therefore, I would draw it like this:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"width: 600px; height: 376px;\" src=\"http:\/\/ggc-mauldin-images.s3.amazonaws.com\/uploads\/newsletters\/Image_7_20151007_OTB.gif\" alt=\"\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>Like\u00a0<em>Outside the Box?<\/em><br \/>\n<u><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mauldineconomics.com\/go\/uuc98-2\/PIP\">Sign up today<\/a><\/u> and get each new issue delivered free to your inbox.<br \/>\nIt&#8217;s your opportunity to get the news John Mauldin thinks matters most to your finances.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mauldineconomics.com\/go\/uucu9-2\/PIP\"><strong><em>Important Disclosures<\/em><\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"xvMdV95u77zU\" style=\"clear: both;\">The article <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mauldineconomics.com\/go\/uucya-2\/PIP\" rel=\"permalink\">Outside the Box: Blodget on Market History<\/a> was originally published at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mauldineconomics.com\/go\/uubjb-2\/PIP\">mauldineconomics.com<\/a>.<\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"clear: both;\"><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By John Mauldin I remember the first time I walked into Henry Blodget\u2019s new startup, Business Insider, back in 2009. Twelve fresh-faced kids were crammed into a room about the size of my bedroom, pounding away on laptops, creating a new destination website. 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