{"id":45837,"date":"2013-12-29T19:07:10","date_gmt":"2013-12-30T00:07:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/countingpips.com\/forex-news\/?p=45837"},"modified":"2013-12-29T19:07:11","modified_gmt":"2013-12-30T00:07:11","slug":"stop-asking-about-a-housing-crash","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/2013\/12\/29\/stop-asking-about-a-housing-crash\/","title":{"rendered":"Stop Asking About a Housing Crash"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>By <a href=\"http:\/\/www.MoneyMorning.com.au\" target=\"_blank\"><u>MoneyMorning.com.au<\/u><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Cat,  meet pigeons, meet oil, meet water, meet elephant, meet room. Meet Phil  Anderson. <\/p>\n<p>Back  in March we dropped a stink bomb in your inbox. We tendered the following:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p><strong>&#8216;<em>If you&#8217;re waiting for the Australian property market to cool down before you buy a house&#8230;what if you&#8217;re waiting for  something that isn&#8217;t going to happen?<\/em>&#8216;<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>This  was &#8211; indeed, <u><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/pro1.portphillippublishing.com.au\/172960\/?email={emailaddress}\">still is<\/a><\/u> &#8211;   the contention of leading economic forecaster and friend Philip J Anderson. <\/p>\n<p>If  you&#8217;re a long-time reader you&#8217;ll know that Phil fired this controversial idea  into the PPP-sphere for the first time back in 2009 at our <em>Australia in the Red<\/em> show  in Melbourne.<\/p>\n<p>It  wasn&#8217;t what delegates expected to hear. <\/p>\n<p>And  yet&#8230;they lapped it up. Phil was mobbed in the foyer at drinks. He never made it  back into the auditorium for the second half of the show. Sceptical  readers, waiting dutifully  for <strong>Australian housing<\/strong> to begin its inevitable death-spiral, suddenly wanted to  know when they should buy.<\/p>\n<p>Our  views on the credit bubble were, with respect, wrong, Phil told us, to our  faces. Suddenly, we weren&#8217;t the alpha-contrarians in the room anymore.<\/p>\n<p>Banks  will create &#8216;as much credit as is needed&#8217; to support high property prices in a  boom. It&#8217;s all to do with economic cycles. And right now, we&#8217;re in the <strong>buying phase<\/strong> of an 18-year cycle: 14  years up, four down, Phil told (<u><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/pro1.portphillippublishing.com.au\/172960\/?email={emailaddress}\">and still  tells<\/a><\/u>) our readers. <\/p>\n<p>We  kept in touch with Phil because we like him. We like him because he deals in  facts. He&#8217;s not a spruiker. He&#8217;s not employed by the government \/ real estate \/  banking complex. He&#8217;s independent. He has no professional interest in house  prices going up OR down. <\/p>\n<p>Mostly  he&#8217;s a voracious accumulator of economic facts and data. He&#8217;s an analyst. He looks  for patterns. He extrapolates. And he reports. In fact, he talks all over the  world about economic cycles and how to interpret them, how to forecast using  them, and how to make money from them. He has done for more than 20 years, boom  or bust. <\/p>\n<p>And  he does so dispassionately, despite being passionate about his research. That&#8217;s  why we&#8217;re drawn to Phil, even though his views are diametrically opposed to those  held by most of our editors. He doesn&#8217;t care if you believe him or not. He  doesn&#8217;t care if <em>we<\/em> believe him or  not.<\/p>\n<p>Because  we know his research comes from a place of honesty and conviction, we&#8217;re more  than happy to publish it. In fact, we&#8217;re super-excited to publish it, even  though we copped it big time when we launched Phil&#8217;s <em><u><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/pro1.portphillippublishing.com.au\/172960\/?email={emailaddress}\">Remembering the Future<\/a><\/u><\/em> project back in the  first week of June.<br \/>\n  &nbsp;<br \/>\nTo remind myself of the stink we caused, I somewhat  reluctantly revisited the DR Inbox at arm&#8217;s length last week. Here&#8217;s a small  sample of the printable invective still lurking in there &#8230;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>&#8216;<em>Unmitigated drivel<\/em>&#8216;<\/li>\n<li>&#8216;<em>I reckon you&#8217;ve lost the plot and taken a  bribe from the real estate industry&#8230;<\/em>&#8216;<\/li>\n<li>&#8216;<em>Sending out rubbish makes you look a fool&#8230;<\/em>&#8216;<\/li>\n<li>&#8216;<em>Quite frankly if I changed my opinion on  this market as you have I would be considered unstable as a professional.<\/em>&#8216;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Some  of the unprintable emails stripped the paint from our walls here at HQ. But  just to clarify: yes, I did know both of my parents. No, I never realised you  could do that with a horse. <\/p>\n<p>But  let&#8217;s look forward, dear reader. Has the argument for higher house prices moved  on since we booted the hornets&#8217; nest? <\/p>\n<p>I  wanted to find out. So I called Phil up last week and asked him some of the  questions I figured you&#8217;d want answering about Aussie housing, about economic  cycles, and about what you can expect from the property market in 2014. <\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s  what he told me&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>SIMON MUNTON: What  do you see happening in the Australian property market in 2014?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>PHIL  ANDERSON: Steady gains \/ sideways moves, but those will remain location  specific, to do with anything happening with mining infrastructure, the  building of roads, rail or ports anywhere, as is always the case. Brisbane  looks to be the best buyer&#8217;s market.&nbsp; <\/p>\n<p>    <strong>SIMON: What do you see happening in the  US property market in 2014?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>PHIL: continued  recovery, but 2014 will be more of a year of consolidating gains rather than  country-wide increases in prices.&nbsp;The US stock market is likely to make a retracement  in 2014 of the prior five years&#8217; gains; this may make a few people nervous but  is a normal part of market behaviour<br \/>\n    <strong><br \/>\n      SIMON: <\/strong><strong>Why should  investors believe in the 18-year real estate cycle?<\/strong> <\/p>\n<p>PHIL: Some  years the economy does well, some years it doesn&#8217;t. 200 years of US history  clearly shows US real estate to be cyclical; this cycle has averaged 18 years  (never shorter than 17 years, never longer than 20). The cause of this cycle is  still with us, so future booms and busts are as assured as the sun rising each  morning<\/p>\n<p>    <strong>SIMON: <\/strong><strong>Why  have we seen a renewed appetite for buying residential property in Australian  capital cities this year?<\/strong> <\/p>\n<p>People  are making money; they have to put their money somewhere and the Australian tax  office is very generous (skewed) towards investing in property.<br \/>\n    <strong><br \/>\n      SIMON: <\/strong><strong>Has the ability  to invest in property within SMSF had a positive impact on Australian property  prices, or is that not really a factor in rising prices?<\/strong> <\/p>\n<p>PHIL:  I don&#8217;t  know enough about that topic &#8211; probably yes.<\/p>\n<p>    <strong>SIMON <\/strong><strong>How  much credit can banks create to support a property boom? How much is too much?<\/strong> <\/p>\n<p>PHIL: Banks  can create as much credit as there is demand. Whilst unemployment stays reasonably  low, it is hard to see such demand decreasing. Banks are totally dependent on  rising property prices to support further lending<\/p>\n<p>    <strong>SIMON: <\/strong><strong>Will I have to borrow money on 30 or 40 year mortgage  terms just to buy a house In Australia?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>PHIL: This  may become a reality after 2019. Most mortgages, however, are paid off by  Australians well before this time, for various reasons.<\/p>\n<p>    <strong>SIMON: <\/strong><strong>What effect does foreign investment in Australian  housing have on residential property prices?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>PHIL: this  is clearly distorting markets, especially inner city housing and flats, and  anything built new. This situation is going to worsen in the next decade. Get  used to it.&nbsp;Governments now, worldwide, have become totally dependent on  rising house prices and all the taxes associated with property.&nbsp;Real  estate itself has now become a world-wide game, with international payment  easy, travel to visit the place very easy, and the world&#8217;s wealthiest 10%  generating income like never before.<\/p>\n<p>    <strong>SIMON: <\/strong><strong>What would you say to someone who told you: &#8216;<em>I&#8217;m waiting for the housing market crash  before I buy property?<\/em>&#8216;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>  PHIL: This reminds me of the four women at the table, each discussing their  idea of the perfect man and waiting for him to show up. Like that&#8217;s ever going  to happen.&nbsp;Queue the next shot, 35 years later and the four women have  turned into skeletons&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>  <strong>SIMON: C<\/strong><strong>ould  there be an Australian house price crash in 2014?<\/strong> <\/p>\n<p>  PHIL: Anything is possible. The&nbsp;cycles, however, indicate this to be  unlikely.&nbsp;Rising productivity, increased technology developments and  massive energy price reductions coming out of the US make this exceedingly  unlikely.&nbsp;Even asking the question itself, which a number of people have  been doing for years now &#8211; since the last one in 2008 &#8211; make it  unlikely.&nbsp;When people STOP asking the question, this is when it will  happen.&nbsp; <\/p>\n<p>So there  you have it dear reader. If you&#8217;re waiting for<a href=\"http:\/\/www.moneymorning.com.au\/category\/property-market\/australian-house-prices\" title=\"more on Australian house prices\"> house prices <\/a>to drop before you  buy a place, you know what to do: <\/p>\n<p>Stop asking  about a <strong>property market<\/strong> crash!<\/p>\n<p>Enjoy the  holidays.<\/p>\n<p>Sincerely,<\/p>\n<p>Simon  Munton<br \/>\n  Assistant  Publisher<\/p>\n<p>PS: If  you want to read Phil&#8217;s argument for higher property prices in Australia, in  greater detail go <a href=\"http:\/\/pro1.portphillippublishing.com.au\/172960\/?email={emailaddress}\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>PPS: Phil  will be speaking at <u><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.portphillippublishing.com.au\/pro\/p11worldreg.php?code=F920PC24\">World War D<\/a><\/u>, our mega event next March. If  you don&#8217;t know anything about our 2014 show, go <u><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.portphillippublishing.com.au\/pro\/p11worldreg.php?code=F920PC24\">here<\/a><\/u>. There are a handful of tickets  left.\n<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"https:\/\/plus.google.com\/106516983215198267222\/about\" title=\"Join Money Morning on Google Plus -- and read about the things we can't always fit into our regular essays\"><u>Join Money Morning on Google+ <\/u><\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<div class=\"feedflare\">\n<a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/MoneyMorningAustralia?a=IbDeSA-zGkE:nJipho2Gbqk:yIl2AUoC8zA\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/MoneyMorningAustralia?d=yIl2AUoC8zA\" border=\"0\"><\/img><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/MoneyMorningAustralia?a=IbDeSA-zGkE:nJipho2Gbqk:V_sGLiPBpWU\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/MoneyMorningAustralia?i=IbDeSA-zGkE:nJipho2Gbqk:V_sGLiPBpWU\" border=\"0\"><\/img><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/MoneyMorningAustralia?a=IbDeSA-zGkE:nJipho2Gbqk:gIN9vFwOqvQ\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~ff\/MoneyMorningAustralia?i=IbDeSA-zGkE:nJipho2Gbqk:gIN9vFwOqvQ\" border=\"0\"><\/img><\/a>\n<\/div>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/~r\/MoneyMorningAustralia\/~4\/IbDeSA-zGkE\" height=\"1\" width=\"1\" \/><br \/>\nBy <a href=\"http:\/\/www.MoneyMorning.com.au\" target=\"_blank\"><u>MoneyMorning.com.au<\/u><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By MoneyMorning.com.au Cat, meet pigeons, meet oil, meet water, meet elephant, meet room. Meet Phil Anderson. Back in March we dropped a stink bomb in your inbox. We tendered the following: &#8216;If you&#8217;re waiting for the Australian property market to cool down before you buy a house&#8230;what if you&#8217;re waiting for something that isn&#8217;t going &hellip; <\/p>\n<p class=\"link-more\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/2013\/12\/29\/stop-asking-about-a-housing-crash\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Stop Asking About a Housing Crash&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-45837","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45837","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=45837"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/45837\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=45837"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=45837"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.investmacro.com\/forex-news\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=45837"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}